Monday, September 19, 2016

Just Interesting: anti-schismatic and pro-ROCA comments

And Just Interesting: anti-schismatic and pro-ROCA comments: (Sunday, Sept. 18, 2016) Russian and some English comments, on internetrsobor.org, under Will somebody tell me what is going on!~?

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Dan Everiss

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Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 11:52 AM


Many Years!  Mnogaya Leta! to our world-wide continued-Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, and to its canonical and solidly Orthodox leadership, Vladyka Agafangel and our Holy Synod of bishops, and to all who remain loyal to it, clergy and laity, and to Holy Orthodoxy! - a faith which they are departing from, and creating their own self-willed parasynagogue  version, which they will soon join to the MP no doubt,  as day by day, the leadership of the schismatics reveal their true intentions. We must flee from them!
God grant this!






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+2 # RE: РПЦЗ: Письмо Церковному Совету Троицкой церкви в Астории — Митрополит Агафангел Metropolitan Agafangel 17.09.2016 04:19
16 сентября матушка Ирина Дутикова покинула церковный дом. Они с дочерью, которая много лет была регентом прихода, переехали жить рядом с другой дочерью в штат Вирджиния.

Трудно выразить адекватную оценку людям, захватившим Троицкий приход и делающим из него доходную корпорацию. К большому сожалению, духовность и церковность на этом приходе прекратились с момента изгнания вдовы и дочери священника, трудами которых приход процветал.
# RE: РПЦЗ: Письмо Церковному Совету Троицкой церкви в Астории — иеромонах Никандр Hieromonk Nikander17.09.2016 05:42
Ничего , сейчас Лев Толстой будет регентовать , а если не получится , то наймут из МП актера . Опять же беглый дьяк Заводов имеется в наличии , проживут . Зато полное народовластие.
# RE: РПЦЗ: Письмо Церковному Совету Троицкой церкви в Астории — Митрополит Агафангел Metropolitan Agafangel18.09.2016 13:34
Ни у матушки Ирины, ни у ее дочери Лары, нет своего жилья, и они вынуждены арендовать квартиру за свою пенсию. Это прекрасно знают те, кто выгнал ее из церковного дома, даже при переезде не оказав никакой помощи..
# RE: РПЦЗ: Письмо Церковному Совету Троицкой церкви в Астории — иеромонах Никандр Hieromonk Nikander 18.09.2016 15:19
А пишут , что "поблагодарили ее , пропели многолетие и ... отправили" . Надо же , какая благодарность.
*English: +4 # The Orthodox American Church. — о. Валерий Леоничев Fr. Valery Leonichev10.09.2016 09:07
Hieromonk Nikandr wrote:

The problem is that 2 bishops are trying to build their own 'church' in defiance to 12 ROCA bishops. Also, they try to attract everyone in this schism, constanly slandering and mixing truth with lies. While showing out everyone that they are extremely spiritual persons, they talk in beautiful manner about 'love to the truth', 'the truth of God', 'conserving of traditions', 'the struggle against the seizure of the power of SOME persons'.

I would like to say to all members of our sisters and brothers, all members of our ROCA American parishes: start asking those 'clerics' for the prove of their statements based on church Canon Law, not beautiful words. Ask them to base their words on canons, on ROCA Charter, not on their emotions and favors.

Do this and you will see that they got no canon basis for their statements at all, and, instead of hypocritical manners of those people, you will find yourself before angry full of hatred faces of schismatics.
+4 # RE: РПЦЗ: Письмо Церковному Совету Троицкой церкви в Астории — иеромонах Никандр Hieromonk Nikander10.09.2016 05:51
2 епископа организуют свою новую "церковь" в пику 12 епископам РПЦЗ и пытаются привлечь на свою сторону всех , кого только можно , постоянно клевеща и смешивая правду с ложью. Изображая напоказ людям "духовное лицо" говорят общие красивые фразы про "любовь к истине" , "правду Божию" , "сохранение традиций" , "борьбу против захвата власти некоторыми".
Так и хочется сказать американцам : требуйте от этих "духовных лиц" законных канонических оснований , а не пустых красивых слов , пусть основываются на канонах , на Уставе РПЦЗ , а не на своих эмоциях и пристрастиях !И тогда Вы увидите , что нет у них никаких оснований и вместо елейного лица на вас будет смотреть искаженная ненавистью гримаса раскольника.
Прошу перевести.
+4 # RE: РПЦЗ: Письмо Церковному Совету Троицкой церкви в Астории — Монахиня Вера Nun Vera09.09.2016 11:41
Ответ Снежане от члена нашей Церкви на английском языке:
*English: Dear Snezana,
Your observations and understanding of things are quite correct. Yes, there are no answers to these questions because the two bishops in question who wish to separate themselves from our church- wish to do so for reasons of a personal basis. As that is not realistically possible, (because, as we know- we must be obedient to the Church and to the decisions of the holy councils of bishops which are guided by the Holy Spirit, and not give in to our own desires, our own passions, our own will), they therefore make claims about Bishop Agafangel making some uncanonical actions/decisio ns, and even accuse him of heresy. However, they have no facts WHATSOEVER to support their so-called claims. (Whereas Metropolitan Agafangel can back up all of his and the councils' actions with proof.) It is suspected that there are certain people behind the scenes who influence and provoke them, solely to reach their goal of destroying our church, slyly, from within. Since the tactics (of the former communist regime) of destroying the church from without resulted in producing multitudes of holy martyrs and only increased the strength of the Church, the tactics used nowadays are much more subtle, and from within, through the use of people's weaknesses and passions, with the intent to sow discord between each other, and thus little by little destroying the unity of the church, and creating schism. Meanwhile, the schismatics sincerely think they are on the side of the truth, and may even produce wonderful sermons about the truth etc., yet there is nothing to back up their claims and reasons for separating from the Church. (Getting insulted and offended, or else not getting what you want, is not a legitimate canonical reason!) In fact, their intention to take the Metropolitan to court and their intent and means of choosing a new leader is wholly uncanonical and even has no logical basis, and the spirit in which it will be done can only produce bad fruits and worse.
All involved, both those who caused and are involved in the temptation and all those who believe the slander against the Metropolitan, should be prayed for, in the hopes that,- God willing- they come to their senses. We are called to pray for one another, and to wish for each other's salvation, as the Lord shed His blood for each and every one of us, and because He desires that all come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved. May He forgive us, have mercy on us and save us. Amen

PS Be aware that there may be talk about "the truth not being in numbers" (i.e. that the number of bishops does not always mean that where the majority (of bishops) is, is where the truth is, and thus use St. Maximos the Confessor as an example).
True, QUANTITY means nothing......wh ether 10 bishops, whether 20, whether 8, 1 or 3...... It is the QUALITY which matters. Meaning, their disposition of soul, the spirit behind their words and deeds....

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