Simply Information Sharing: Sept.10, 2016: Rebuttals to the Schismatics: on internetsobor: mostly in Russian but with some very good ones in English by the Metropolitan-Inbox |
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3 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - Nun Vera 09.08.2016 11:36
Today I was talking to one American (she knows quite well the Russian language). The fact that many English-speaking people from our church do not understand what the problem was created, and why there is this division, therefore, not understanding, go anywhere, that is, for dissenters. There is a wish to put on the Internet site Cathedral of our official texts not only in Russian but also in English so everyone can understand what is happening. And that in fact the schismatics written in two languages and send across the network. We, too, should probably follow their example in this.
+2 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - monk Nikandr 09/08/2016 15:55
Right. This will destroy their machinations. Actually, why raskolouchitel of Naverezhya chose America? Yes, simply because there he can draw on the resources (money) from defrauded Americans. As they sort out what was going on, reading in English of our materials, then will fall all the "charms" of dissenters and "Corporation" burst like a soap bubble.
+5 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - Metropolitan Agafangel 09.08.2016 6:57
7 September, by sending the message "letmish" held "Meeting with Commission VI All-foreign Cathedral". It is not known who set up this commission, what is its composition. It is not clear how Diaspora Council can gather two bishops, ignoring the opinion and participation of the other eleven. Not even know who these judges Prokuratov ry, who took the trouble to bring order to the Orthodox Church. Why is it hidden from the entire flock of the ROCOR, despite the stated "catholicity"? Is it possible to start good business with confidence, almost the entire Church? It is only known (thanks to its own mailing list) that Mother Agapia refused to participate in this illegal concourse.
The organizers of the newly-minted parasinagogi not only refused to talk with the President of the Synod of Bishops and his secretary, but canceled the agreement reached in the United States, in the Greek monastery, the efforts of many people, an agreement on the difficult situation of the settlement in our Church, which establishes the procedure and allowed through meetings and consultations to decide for a peaceful life in our dioceses and parishes. Why would they do that? One answer can be - because it is not necessary. Really, so many people still do not understand?
Anonymous "Pre-Council Committee" took four agenda item scheduled for the first half of 2017 "All-Diaspora Council," which can be reduced to one - the elimination of the First Hierarch of ROCOR. Accordingly, all of the work "of the commission" should be kept to search correspondi about compromising. Yet, to date, has not announced any specific breach. But, as we know from history, right up dirt can be found, if desired, for example, even on St. John Chrysostom. So, look, anonymous gentlemen.
2 # Crafty demagoguery splitters - monk Nikandr 08/09/2016 10:10
A quote from the announcement of the dissenters:
Quote:
"As the Metropolitan. Agafangel and its Synod its wrong decisions and abuse of power have lost credibility and trust, then fence the faithful of the Church from such arbitrariness, at the time of Pre-Conciliar period, our diocese transferred to administrative self-government. This is not a new church structure created what - or arbitrarily concourse or "parasinagoga", as they like to talk now a few to discredit good initiative The decision to convene the 6 -. th All-Diaspora Council adopted not for the sake of - either ambition or lust for power, but for the sake of our devotion and love for Christ and His Holy Church, in response to the spiritual testament of St. Filaret: "Keep what you have."
For the sake of devotion to Christ and the Church need to split the Church and to hide behind the words of Saint?
This "self-government" wickedly in all respects and is already split.
All this, so-called "All-Diaspora Council" intended to capture raider ROCA, trying to replace him Bishops' Council, to condemn a legitimate First Hierarch and choose instead the self-proclaimed false hierarchy.
+4 # RE: Crafty demagoguery splitters - Metropolitan Agafangel 08/09/2016 10:20
About self-government was earlier stated, when one declared disobedience to the Synod and the Cathedral, and the other "supported". That they once again (in my opinion, in the third) have decided to recall. Not once on the table with his fist to hit, but three. So louder.
+6 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - Metropolitan Agafangel 07/09/2016 13:53
New Believers constantly prove that there are no arguments to justify their split they do not. So preaching illegally served in Astoria Archbishop Andronicus clearly shows a complete lack of any kind was the argument. From the words of Archbishop. Andronicus, the main crime our Synod that dissenters are not supported by the majority of the bishops (?!). That is, it turns out there where the majority - it's not true. And what, in fact, a lie, a word about it. The farther away, the more that the new-found parasinagoga gone into schism in any case - they will be able to explain anything, or can not. For them, the evidence is not important - if not found, it will manage without them. Do they believe in God? - That's the question.
+3 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - Orthodox Christian 02/09/2016
18:31
Bless sv.Vladyko! I could not pass by, smiling and registered on the site to leave slovo..Grustno and hard to look at all this is happening, and not possible to be in the side and did not empathize with heart and soul to what is happening .. do not think me one .. Dear sv.Vladyko forgive but my ignorance - Blessed is the man who hath not walked in the counsel of the wicked ... not whether or not to perform this beatitude, as taught by the Holy Spirit through sv.proroka .. and do not take any of involvement in the congregations of the wicked .. so learned and holy fathers examples of their lives, give us a good image of meekness and humility .. it was not a sign of cowardice, but a great mind and a great heart. There was a lot of history lzhesoborov and they condemned the saints, there was not condemned - and it's not how much they do not hurt, and made it more glorious! Master your very appearance of it does not matter for what reasons, can make to the weak and not reinforced minds, souls and hearts of the faithful doubts and misunderstanding, and who knows how the enemy uses it, and where to turn and how will present ??? .. Why this temptation? Is it not better solid, humble and clear position for all .. Why beat into the empty drums? Let them there together weave lscheniya and kapashatsya Thou bee bo kiyzhdo his burden poneset..Ne better to assign all trust in God and his squad, the Holy Synod? In order to save at least one Ovcha the dead, enough to record a video appeal - live, with a translation into another language - an appeal to all parishioners in the diaspora, with their minds in the vacillations and doubts. Put it on the official website and this, and who has ears to hear that hear, and who is not interested in that at least count Cheshi! Why complicate things? Do not cast pearls before swine your, if you drew rastopchat !!! Be Thou forgive Blue and wise Thou serpents .. Peace to you sv.Vladyko and patience, strengthen you in the future, God curses .. forgive my sv.Vladyko nevezhestvo..mne not know of many circumstances and cause of your son and brother postupkov..Vash Christ sinful and unworthy of a Christian.
+2 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - Metropolitan Agafangel 09/02/2016 18:41
Maybe this is not the place, but all the same:
"And took him, Peter began to rebuke him: be merciful unto me, O Lord, let not this is with you! He turned and said to Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offense to me because you think not about that, but the things that be of men "(Matthew 16.22-23).
We must unconditionally fulfill all that is to the benefit of the Church.
+2 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - Orthodox Christian 02/09/2016 19:21
Excuse me St. Master if I brought you into temptation, his writings, and even could not imagine what vozmozhno..Ne can just imagine how it will look like when you arrive there. Do you need your presence there to condemn this unholy collection? Or do you want to come back and tell their congregation accusatory word - which will only hear them? And heard so far? Already the number of times called them to repentance? Or are open debate? For God's sake forgive me again St. Lord, just do not understand what's the benefit to St. Churches. I believe you to St. Lord, that you are doing for the benefit of St. Church, strengthen your God in your way and guide in the right way!
+2 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - Orthodox Christian 02/09/2016 19:53
The main thing that is even more did not bring discord and strife ..
+4 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - Metropolitan Agafangel 8/31/2016 8:52
As I wrote, I still do not clear the main motives of modern dissenters. I doubt that the only power ambitions are driven by them, though, these ambitions, no doubt, is the "fuel" of new of strife. However, not the engine. Engine - some external force that is not of God.
Of course, I'll come to their meeting ( "All-Diaspora Council"), the more that they are invited, but not because they recognize its legitimacy, but only to look into the eyes of these people. I do not believe that all of them have passed from the service of God in the service of the devil, splitting the Church. Maybe, though some will be able to see traces of faith and conscience.
+5 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - monk Nikandr 31/08/2016 12:24
Lord, they want you to judge, do you agree to be accused? Moreover, it would be illegal court - tribunal parasinagogi. If you go and then not one.
+2 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - Kungurova Tatiana 08.31.2016 17:21
I think how much Christ did not look into the eyes of the Pharisees and the scribes and conscience they have not found.
"If anyone from the dead will rise again, no shame faith. (Luke 16:31)
+6 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - Metropolitan Agafangel 31/08/2016 18:00
It is my duty and my responsibility to denounce the "counsel of the wicked." They lie, and we have to protect and heal the blind deceived.
+3 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - monk Nikandr 01.09.2016 9:21
Then we have this meeting to do online (take video and all the action - right to the Internet), so that all could see and evaluate a bunch of dissenters gathered to judge the First Hierarch of ROCOR.
+8 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - International Council 08/31/2016 21:56
It will be interesting to see how Andronicus with Sophronius three personally come to Odessa to canonically correct call on the Metropolitan Court.
+6 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - ieleonid 01.09.2016 11:56
So not only the Metropolitan. Because the court and they plan on Synod, then three more visits to each of the remaining five members of the Synod. Total - 18 visitations from New York to Odessa, Brazil, Voronezh, Vologda, Ishim, Moldova.
Otherwise, based on their own perceptions of the canonical trial will be invalid.
All of this suggests that it would be good brothers in the United States and Russia to stop hot and return to the reconciliation plan proposed by the Secretary of the Synod and Metropolitan in America.
+3 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - Nun Vera 01.09.2016 14:21
That's just the trouble is that they do not want peace but seek war by any hook or by crook. It's obvious that I'm going purposeful action to destroy our Church. And this is done to bypass all the canonical rules and basic human conscience.
+3 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - monk Nikandr 09/01/2016 16:04
Quote ieleonid:
So not only the Metropolitan. Because the court and they plan on Synod, then three more visits to each of the remaining five members of the Synod. Total - 18 visitations from New York to Odessa, Brazil, Voronezh, Vologda, Verkhoturye, Moldova.
Otherwise, based on their own perceptions of the canonical trial will be invalid.
All of this suggests that it would be good brothers in the United States and Russia to stop hot and return to the reconciliation plan proposed by the Secretary of the Synod and Metropolitan in America.
Error: instead Verkhoturye, it is necessary to write the Ishim, because Bishop Ishim.
+3 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - ieleonid 01.09.2016 16:50
Yes, of course, Ishim, apologize, correct.
+6 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - International Council 09/01/2016 00:41
At the St. Petersburg diocese website posted "Resolution of the clergy of St. Petersburg and North-tion Russian diocese." Resolution - a document, which was adopted at the meeting after the discussion. But the meeting was not simply received "approval" sent out by e-mail. mail text. In this case, it is not a resolution, but, at best, an application that does not force resolution as the decision of the meeting. In general, this text can not be an official document until it is approved really held diocesan meeting.
In this case, a falsification of the place to give credibility divisive actions unfortunate Archbishop of Pa, formerly of St. Petersburg and North-skim Russian.
+2 # RE: Metropolitan Agafangel: Appeal to retreating - monk Nikandr 09.01.2016 6:10
Not only that clergy are sending, so they also laymen its "resolution" send, and hoping to attract them to their split! There is a large-scale operation to separation I ROCOR flock.
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