RTOC & ROAC discuss uniting

Curious News-For Study-RTOC and ROAC Confer about them Unifying with Each other

     http://internetsobor.org/alternativnoe-pravoslavie/tcerkovnye-novosti/alternativnoe-pravoslavie/obrashchenie-dukhovenstva-i-monashestvuiushchikh-k-arkhiereiskim-sinodam-riptc-i-rpatc

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found on:http://internetsobor.org 

Comment: Though this is a google translation,[though humanly improved],  it is easy to understand.

The  main points to focus on in this interesting development , are that both RTOC and ROAC admit that their episcopates, originated with Lazar Zurbenko, and not only on Patriarch Tikhon's Ukaz Number 362.

And they both admit, that...." appeal to  the Synod of Bishops of the RTOC and of RPATs, between which there is no distinction or difference of religious character,"...i.e. they are the same in thought/aims  and church life, etc.

Which to my mind, is a self-condemnation of them, by their own admission.

They have served a great purpose of the MP and the Kremlin, to help further divide the Russian diaspora..

But in the view of our Metropolitan Agafangel and our ROCA Synod, Lazar Zurbenko, when he consecrated or ordained anyone, he himself was at that time, in a canonically deposed state from ROCOR, and thus ALL OF HIS ORDINATIONS were null and void...and thus, NO priests or bishops of RTOC or ROAC, { that were consecrated or ordained by the hands of RTOC or ROAC, after Lazar Zurbenko was lawfully deposed by ROCOR. the church that had originaly made him a bishop], are canonically valid or have Apostolic Succession.... today. NONE!

Also, what is of interest in this news, is that RTOC and ROAC leaders admit that their flocks are asking them, -how can the Greeks unite, and we Russians cannot?, etc.

Yes indeed! what a good question to ask the leaders of RTOC and ROAC!

It is time for the leadership of RTOC and ROAC to give up their bogus claims, and to joln with our ROCA.

Metropolitan Agafangel and his Synod of Bishops, are the SOLE legitimate and canonical continuation of the old free ROCOR.

RTOC and ROAC 'bishops' are imposters and false leaders, misleading their flocks.

And it is very important to call to mind, that our much abused Metropolitan Agafangel, has many many times invited both RTOC and ROAC leaders and clergy and laity, to sit down with him, and our ROCA bishops, and to fraternally discuss differences and to try to find some accommodation, and to make peace....and they have consistently refused, often labeling our ROCA, as 'in heresy' and other slandersl

Rd. Daniel

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Contact between the clergy and religious to the Synod of Bishops and the Synod of Bishops of the RTOC RPATs

Your Eminence, Bishop Tikhon, 

Your Eminence, Master Theodore, 

His Eminence Russian True Orthodox  

and Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church! 

Asking for your blessings and prayers, we humbly ask you to consider our appeal. 

In current times of apostasy, the  True Russian Orthodox Church is entering a new phase of its existence, when in its confession it tries to keep intact the purity of Holy Orthodoxy, as  Christians may fall again under persecution, and most of the True Orthodox Church will again have to go to the catacomb position.

In this situation, great importance attaches to those canonical principles that underlay the life of the Catacomb True Orthodox Church. Its Founding Fathers and the ideologues from the outset rejected the idea of creating a totalitarian state in the territory of [ the existing canonical Orthodox churches an alternative administration and a centralization of ecclesiastical authority, conforming  her decentralization and self-government in the field, in accordance with the Decree of His Holiness Patriarch Tikhon, the Holy Synod and the Supreme Church Council of the Russian Orthodox Church from 7/20 November 1920 at number 362.

On the basis of this Regulation of this prophetic communication,  Patriarch Tikhon's Catacomb CPI emerged in the Soviet Union and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, it is osnovaniemkanonicheskoy legitimacy of both parts of the Russian Church. Now existing jurisdiction (RTOC RPATs, ROCOR (A) ROCA (V)) the canonical base their existence, relying primarily on that  document.

However, this Decision does not concern the creation of the central bodies of the Supreme Church Authority in the Russian Church, but, on the contrary, provides only temporary control of the church authorities "for several dioceses in the same conditions" (see § 2). Therefore, based on the Decree number 362, none of the mentioned parts of the Russian Church can not and has no right to claim to be complete throughout the canonical authority of the Local Russian Church and the ensuing power and authority. It follows that all currently existing parts of the Russian Church on the ground and in the letter of the Patriarchal Decree number 362 are equal only "self-governing Metropolitan Districts," consisting of "several dioceses in the same conditions" (p. 2).

For more information about the canonical value of the Patriarchal Decree number 362 with respect to the present position of the True Orthodox Church there is set forth in the appended to our treatment of historical and canonical note.

Now, as in the 1920-1930-ies., Particularly it is an urgent need to return to the exact исполнениюосновополагающего Investigation and Resolution of St.. Patriarch Tikhon number 362 and relying on him to make every effort to achieving progressively the true unity of the Russian Church, recognizing the possible existence of several parallel ecclesiastical administrative structures ("self-governing metropolitan districts") on the canonical territory of the Russian Church, as it provides Patriarchal Decree number 362 (part 2) in case of emergency and non-legitimate Supreme Church Authority in the face of a legitimate Patriarch, the Synod Council and the fullness of the Local Russian Church (see annex).

Essentially this is the one Church only, in accordance with the Decree of St. . rds. Tikhon number 362, which has a current emergency conditions with different time church management (administration), as it was in the 1920s and '30s.

Since 1927, in Russia there is no canonical supreme ecclesiastical authority in the face of any legitimate Patriarch, the Synod Council and the fullness of the Local Russian Church, the Decree number 362 remains the canonical foundation on which is based not only the existence of all modern branches or parts of the Russian Church, but on the basis of which is  only possible their union. Moreover, it explicitly prescribes  self-governing church districts which  have communion with one another without creating a single administrative structure and subordination of one "small cathedral" (Synod) to another (see annex).

In this regard, in the face of impending trials and persecutions, appeal to the Synod of Bishops and the Synod of Bishops of the RTOC RPATs, between which there is no distinction or difference of religious character, to start a dialogue between the church and the RTOC RPATs in order to recover between [ them] fraternal communion without administrative subordination to each other. 

Both branches of the Russian Church are united not only by a common heritage and history, but also by the general episcopal succession from one bishop - Archbishop Lazar (RTOC and bishops and bishops RPATs at the time they were ordained by Archbishop Lazarus). The fact that the origins of the continuity of the two branches was one bishop, was not coincidental, but providential. And this, we believe, is key to their future unity.

Let us remember that the secret of the Catacomb Church Sobor of  bishops in a transit camp near Irkutsk in 1937 and they ruled as  relatively self-willed branches of the CPI [ One Russian Church] and maintained their prayerful unity among themselves: "All branches of the Church will grow out of one ecclesiastical tree - a tree ... is our pre-revolutionary Church - are the living branches of the Church of Christ. Let there abide prayer and communion between the clergy of all these branches."

Execution of the wills of the Holy New Martyrs and Confessors of the Catacomb shall be the beginning of a dialogue between the fraternal  RTOC and RPATs and, in accordance with the Resolution of the prophetic communication.of  Patriarch Tikhon number 362, restore Eucharistic unity of all parts of the once united the True Russian Church. 

This is especially true for the Russian Church after the unification process begun in the Greek CPI, and many of our parishioners are constantly asking us a question: how did the Greeks findd the strength to unite, and we, Russians, more and more are separated.   

Annex for circulation : 6 pages. 

Signatures:

Signatures:

Jer. Artemy Varlamyan (Lesna monastery RTOC)

Ierom. Euthymius (Trofimov) (Lesna monastery RTOC)

Mont. Euphrosyne (Molchanov) (Lesna monastery RTOC)

Jer. Sergius Myasoedov (Kharkiv, RTOC)

Ierom. Sawa (Carpathian, RTOC)

Archpriest Alexei Lebedev (St. Petersburg, ROAC)

Archpriest Roman Nowakowski (Zheleznovodsk, Stavropol Territory, ROAC)

Archpriest V. (ROAC)

Russian original follows with comments as of 6/26/14

Обращение духовенства и монашествующих к Архиерейским синодам РИПЦ и РПАЦ

щение духовенства и монашествующих 
к Архиерейскому Синоду РИПЦ и Архиерейскому Синоду РПАЦ

Ваше Высокопреосвященство, Владыко Тихон,
Ваше Высокопреосвященство, Владыко Феодор,
Преосвященные Владыки Русской Истинно-Православной 
и Российской Православной Автономной Церквей!

Испрашивая Вашего благословения и молитв, смиренно просим Вас рассмотреть наше обращение.
В нынешние апостасийные времена Истинная Православная Русская Церковь вступает в новую фазу своего бытия, когда за исповедание неповрежденной чистоты Святого Православия на христиан вновь могут обрушиться гонения, а самой Истинно-Православной Церкви опять придется перейти на катакомбное положение.

В этой ситуации большое значение приобретают те канонические принципы, которые были заложены в основу жизнедеятельности Катакомбной Истинно-Православной Церкви. Ее святые отцы-основатели и идеологи с самого начала отказались от идеи создания на территории тоталитарного государства альтернативной администрации и централизации церковной власти, противопоставив ей децентрализацию и самоуправление на местах, в соответствии с Постановлением Святейшего Патриарха Тихона, Священного Синода и Высшего Церковного Совета Православной Российской Церкви от 7/20 ноября 1920 года за № 362.

На основе этого пророческого Постановления св. патриарха Тихона возникли Катакомбная ИПЦ в СССР и РПЦ Заграницей, оно является основаниемканонической легитимности обеих частей единой Русской Церкви. Ныне существующие юрисдикции (РИПЦ, РПАЦ, РПЦЗ(А), РПЦЗ(В)) основывают свое каноническое бытие, опираясь, в первую очередь, на этот документ. 

Однако это Постановление совершенно не касается создания центральных органов Высшей Церковной Власти в Русской Церкви, но, напротив, предусматривает лишь временные органы церковного управления «для нескольких епархий, находящихся в одинаковых условиях» (см. п. 2). Поэтому, опираясь на Постановление № 362, ни одна из упомянутых частей Русской Церкви не может и не имеет права претендовать на полноту канонической власти всей Поместной Российской Церкви с вытекающими отсюда полномочиями и правами. Отсюда следует, что все ныне действующие части Русской Церкви на основании и по букве этого Патриаршего Постановления № 362 являются лишь равноправными «самоуправляющимися митрополичьими округами»,состоящими из «нескольких епархий, находящихся в одинаковых условиях» (п. 2).

Более подробно о каноническом значении Патриаршего Постановления № 362 применительно к современному положению Истинно-Православной Церкви изложено в прилагаемой к нашему обращению историко-канонической записке.

Ныне, как и в 1920-1930-е гг., особую актуальность приобретает необходимость вернуться к точному следованию и исполнениюосновополагающего Постановления св. патриарха Тихона № 362 и, опираясь на него, приложить все усилия к постепенному достижению единства Истинной Русской Церкви, признав возможным существование нескольких параллельных церковно-административных структур («самоуправляющихся митрополичьих округов») на канонической территории Русской Церкви, как это и предусматривает Патриаршее Постановление № 362 (п. 2) на случай чрезвычайного положения и отсутствия легитимной Высшей Церковной Власти в лице законного Патриарха, Собора и Синода всей полноты Поместной Русской Церкви (см. приложение).
По сути это и есть одна Церковь, только, в соответствии с Постановлением св. патр. Тихона № 362, имеющая в нынешних чрезвычайных условиях разные временные церковные управления (администрации), как это и было в 1920-30-е гг.

Поскольку с 1927 г. в России отсутствует каноническая высшая церковная власть в лице законного Патриарха, Собора и Синода всей полноты Поместной Русской Церкви, то Постановление № 362 остается тем каноническим фундаментом, на котором не только основывается существование всех современных ветвей или частей Русской Церкви, но на основе которого только и возможно их объединение. Более того, оно недвусмысленно предписывает иметь самоуправляющимся церковным округам евхаристическое общение между собой без создания единой административной структуры и переподчинения одного «малого собора» (синода) другому (см. приложение).

В связи с этим, пред лицом грядущих испытаний и гонений, обращаемся к Архиерейскому Синоду РИПЦ и Архиерейскому Синоду РПАЦ, между которыми не существует различий или разногласий вероисповедного характера, начать церковный диалог между РИПЦ и РПАЦ, с тем, чтобы восстановить между ними братское евхаристическое общение без административного подчинения друг другу. 

Обе эти ветви Русской Церкви объединяет не только общее наследие и история, но и общая архиерейская преемственность от одного архиерея – архиепископа Лазаря (и епископов РИПЦ, и епископов РПАЦ в свое время рукополагал именно архиепископ Лазарь). Тот факт, что у истоков преемственности обеих ветвей стоял один архиерей, было не случайным, но промыслительным. И в этом, верим, заключается залог их будущего единства.
Будем помнить, что тайный Собор архиереев Катакомбной Церкви в пересыльном лагере под Иркутском в 1937 г. так постановил и завещал относительно самоуправления ветвей ИПЦ и сохранения ими молитвенного единства между собою: «Все ветви Церкви, произрастающие из экклезиастического древа – ... а древом является наша дореволюционная Церковь, – суть живые ветви Церкви Христа. Пусть пребывает молитвенное и литургическое общение между духовенством всех этих ветвей».

Исполнением этого завещания Святых Новомучеников и Исповедников Катакомбных да будет положено начало братского диалога между РИПЦ и РПАЦ и, в соответствии с пророческим Постановлением св. патриарха Тихона № 362, восстановления евхаристического единства всех частей некогда единой Истинной Русской Церкви. 

Это тем более актуально для Русской Церкви после того, как объединительный процесс начался в греческой ИПЦ, и многие наши прихожане постоянно задают нам вопрос: почему греки нашли в себе силы к объединению, а мы, русские, все более и более разделяемся.  

Приложение к обращению: на 6 страницах.

Подписи:

Иер. А. РИПЦ
Иером. Е. РИПЦ
Мон. Е. РИПЦ
Иер. С. РИПЦ
Иером. С.  РИПЦ

Протоиерей Алексей Лебедев (г. Санкт-Петербург, РПАЦ)
Протоиерей Р. РПАЦ
Протоиерей В. РПАЦ

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# От сложения расколов получается еще больший раскол — о. Виктор 26.06.2014 05:29

Неправдой является утверждение авторов, что Указ #362 заложен в основу РИПЦ и РПАЦ. 

РПАЦ откололась от Синода РПЦЗ митр. Виталия по абсурдному заявлению еп. Валентина, что для него лично вступил в действие Указ #362 , т.к. прежде законное ВЦУ в лице Синода РПЦЗ для него прекратило свое существование: еп. Валентин несколько раз подряд звонил из Суздаля в Нью-Йорк, то не смог дозвониться и поговорить с митр. Виталием! 

РИПЦ тоже откололась от митр. Виталия - от его мансонвильского синода “РПЦ в Изгнании” и произвела для себя неканоничные епископские хиротонии. Основанием откола РИПЦ от раскола “РПЦ в И” послужил не Указ #362, а записка митроп. Виталия где он указывал, что лично не возражает против организации синода на территории РФ, если такое деяние подтвердит мансонвильский собор, если синод в России будет находится в подчинении мансонвильскому синоду, если кандидатуры во епископов для РФ будут им, митрополитом и собором "РПЦ в И" утверждены. Организацию синода РИПЦ мансонвильский Собор не утверждал, кандидатуры во епископов РИПЦ ни митр. Виталием, ни мансонвильским собором не утверждены, самообразованна я РИПЦ в подчинение мансонвильскому синоду не вошла. Какое же отношение записка митр. Виталия имеет к Указу Патриарха #362?

Надо добавить, что если по мнению авторов Обращения между РИПЦ и РПАЦ "не существует различий или разногласий вероисповедного характера", то изначально РИПЦ в РФ не имела права на существование: вместо самовозникновен ия и раскола "РПЦ в И" РИПЦ должна была войти в состав существующей уже в РФ структуры РПАЦ. Таким образом, РИПЦ относительно РПАЦ тоже, с первого дня своего существования - раскол. 

Если РИПЦ и РПАЦ действительно хотят исполнить Патриаршее Постановление № 362, то должны были бы немедленно присоединиться к существовавшей до их самовозникновен ия и существующей до ныне легитимной Высшей Церковной Власти - Синоду РПЦЗ, т.е. присоединиться к митрополиту Агафангелу. Другого пути возвращения из раскола в Церковь нет

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# RE: От сложения расколов получается еще больший раскол — Елена 26.06.2014 10:54

У Вас устаревший ошибочный административны й взгляд, который и привел РПЦЗ к унии с МП как ВЦУ во главе с патриархом. Вы подменяете евхаристическое единство Церкви как Мистического Тела Христова на единстве административно е. Как мне кажется, в той Историко-канони ческой справке, которая прилагается к этому обращению: catacomb.org.ua/.../ , довольно обоснованно разъясняется, почему ни одна из частей РПЦ не может претендовать на полноту ВЦУ РПЦ. Выглядит все очень убедительно. Ведь действительно Указ 362 никому не дает прав на полноту ВВЦУ, даже РПЦЗ. Скорее всего, вся проблема в неправильном толковании самого Указа 362 и Вами и многими другими, т.с. в стиле административно -бюрократическо го мышления. А ведь Церковь и правда не административно -бюрократически й аппарат

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# RTOC and ROAC in America- — Rd. Daniel 25.06.2014 15:48

Here, both of those churches are not very large or powerful, but they constantly try to steal from our ROCA, our priests, parishes, and laity.

They constantly slander and malign Met. Agafangel and our ROCA.

RTOC-Trenton, Stefan Sabelnik, [ a basically well meaning but confused man], takes his orders and advice as to what he should do, or say, ... from his close friend ROAC Andre Maklakov.

Maklakov says many strange words, that we could expect from mental patients.

Those who disagree with him, on any church matter he proclaims that they are "Crusifying Christ again on His cross!".

ROAC Maklakov interfers into our ROCA church life, constantly. He claims to be an expert on the canons!!!

Most of the clergy that are under either of them, are rejects from our church, from the old ROCOR, or anyway very mislead and confused souls.

Yes, they as with us, are anti-MP and anti-ecumenist.

I pray for these confused ones, priests and laity, that they wake up and leave RTOC and ROAC and come to us.

Most of them are good people.

But here in America, little ROAC already controls little RTOC-Trenton. It is the fact. But as I view them, they both are dying.

Rd. Daniel

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# RE: RTOC and ROAC in America- — Митрополит Агафангел 25.06.2014 18:14

Да, конечно - в любом случае мы можем надеяться только на тех людей, которые способны слышать и рассуждать.

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# RE: RTOC and ROAC in America- — Reader Maxim 26.06.2014 02:11

You are truly a master of listening and reasoning. Take for instance how you overcame your humble nature and accepted the position of metropolitan in your church. Of course, you also knew to omit certain previous ROCOR synodal decisions to get there....but get there you did and now you stand in front of your flock in your metropolitan trappings and dare think that you continue in the footsteps of Met. Vitaly, St. Met. Filaret and those who came before him?!? "Who hath ears to hear , let him hear" (Matt. 13:9)

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# RE: Обращение духовенства и монашествующих к Архиерейским синодам РИПЦ и РПАЦ — Митрополит Агафангел 24.06.2014 18:00

Дай Бог, хоть им объединиться. Но я, лично, утратил веру в то, что они согласятся даже разговаривать друг со другом. Буду счастлив ошибиться, в данном случае.

В истинной Церкви Христовой должен быть заложен в основании Ее принцип созидания, а не дробления и разрушения. "По тому узнают все, что вы Мои ученики, если будете иметь любовь между собою" (Ин 13.35). Это навсегда.

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# RE: Обращение духовенства и монашествующих к Архиерейским синодам РИПЦ и РПАЦ — Reader Maxim 26.06.2014 01:41

Dear Bishop Agafangel,

Can you please explain to us, simple laymen, why it is of interest to you, to see ROAC and RTOC (both schismatic churches according to you) uniting?

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# No, 'Reader Maxim', Priests and Laity from RTOC & ROAC Need to Come to Us — Rd. Daniel 26.06.2014 02:44

ROAC and RTOC, have no right to exist even.

They, as jurisdictions, are outside of the One True Orthodox Church.

Yes, they are indeed schismatics and sectarians.

And if you, 'Reader Maxim' were tonsured a reader by their hands, you are not a reader. You are nothing. NOTHING!

And who are you, little man, to be so rude and insolent to our Metropolitan?

None of what you claim here, is true about Metropolitan Agafangel's life. Your nasty and untrue words are only slanders. You clearly know nothing about him or his life or his beliefs or his struggles.

SHAME on you!

He was pressured & voted, by our clergy and laity, to become our Metropolitan, because our church needed him, it was not his wish. HE DID NOT DESIRE THAT TITLE!!

He is truly a humble man...but the big difference between him and your proud and arrogant Tikhon Pasechnik or your ROAC's new head, [Theodore] is that he is the sole canonical continuation of the old free ROCOR. RTOC and ROAC are NOT!!! They are thieves and liars.

Speaking for myself here in America, I pray that the mislead clergy and laity in RTOC and ROAC, wake up, and leave those false churches, and come to our ROCA.

Will those poor people leave those false churches, without their current schismatic leadership guiding them to come to us?

I pray so.

And yes, a very good question from clergy and laity in those two bogus schismatic churches: ..".If the Greeks united, why can't we Russians also unite!?"

ROCA under our Metropolitan Agafangel, is in full fraternal communion with a large part of canonical True Orthodoxy. We are accepted and recognized by them, as THE ONE REAL genuine ROCOR. They do NOT RECOGNIZE your RTOC or ROAC!!!...not at all. And those Greeks, Romanians, and Bulgarians know the canons!

They consider RTOC and ROAC as robbers and uncanonical.

Wake up! and flee those false bishops, 'Reader Maxim'.

Rd. Daniel....very sick and tired of the many lies from RTOC and ROAC, as also from their similar friends in the MP and the ROCiE crowd too.

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# RE: Обращение духовенства и монашествующих к Архиерейским синодам РИПЦ и РПАЦ — Елена 26.06.2014 10:44

На сайте РИПЦ тоже появилось это Обращение, только с приложением – Историко-канони ческой справкой: catacomb.org.ua/.../

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# RE: Обращение духовенства и монашествующих к Архиерейским синодам РИПЦ и РПАЦ — Joanna Higginbotham 26.06.2014 14:45

Reader Maxim,

Are you an internet goon? How dare you come here into our livingroom and accuse our Vladyka, our HERO who saved ROCOR, of prideful motives? Truly you have no perception of the Church of our Fathers, or you would recognize that you are outside of it. 

We thank God for Metropolitan Agafangel and our holy synod because through them God guides our Ship safely passed the trap of jurisdictional ecumenism. 

There are 2 jurisdictions that originated from Lazar Zurbenko (RTOC and ROAC). But there is ONLY ONE jurisdiction that originates from the ukase #362. It is not RocorMP ,and it is not a group who claims falsely that they are the Catacomb Church.

You owe all of us an apology for speaking to our revered Metropolitan with such disrespect. You insult all of us. And you embarrass yourself.

A History Of The Russian Church Abroad 1917-1971

and the Events Leading to the American Metropolia's Autocephaly

published by Boston monastery when they were with ROCOR,

 via their Seattle, St. Nektarios Press.....

Reader Daniel "book review" of A History of ROCOR published by St. Nectarios Press.

http://rocorhistoryhtm.blogspot.com

I have almost finished reading that ROCOR history

> And, it really jogs my memory, as I knew personally or bumped into, a

> > number of those traitor Metropolia bishops & priests, way back then.  In fact,

> > I know MORE about some of them, than is put into this work...

> > But since I first read this work way back in the early 1970's , I now see

> > everything in these pages, from a fresh, though... hindsight.... perspective.,

> > which is causing me to loose ALL respect for those OCA clerical

> > TRAITORS.... just as what all we know about our traitor ROCOR

> > bishops/priests, which knowledge also sickens me ...i.e., the ROCOR traitors

> > have gone down the SAME MP road-to-ruin, as did the OCA traitors before

> > the [autocephaly coup], with only a few differences..

> > And, what is so up-to-date, with all this ....old history, is that it is ALL

> > applicable today... nothing is really new.

This book is enlightening about the whole canonical history, of Russian Orthodoxy in North America....what we have inherited...........

About THE best compilation of the actual factual history of the past days of the N. American Metropolia [a.k.a 'OCA' since 1970], and ROCOR,(i.e., the whole process of it's uniting and then leaving and then reuniting, with the Church Abroad and it's dealings with the MP, etc.) is in the pages of this book.  When you read it, you will see that the multifarious information in it, is applicable and useful to MANY current church issues, MANY!

You may have read it, you may already have a copy of it, though it is long out of print and unavailable....except that I have 5 copies here.

Our Peter Koltypin asked me for a copy, which I sent him, and he has copied this text to share, and raves of it's importance.

My old friend, ________, says of it: it is the only and BEST present source, for this UNASSAILABLE accurate history....... (too bad it is not in Russian too, though a number of it's original  sources were in Russian and other languages).. 

It is:

"A History Of The Russian Church Abroad 1917-1971

and the Events Leading to the American Metropolia's Autocephaly"

published by Boston monastery when they were with ROCOR,

 via their Seattle, St. Nektarios Press.....

It is about 214 pages.

Years ago, when I was still in the OCA, after reading this book, I in good conscience could no longer remain in the OCA, but had to run to ROCOR.

And, nothing in this well-foot noted compilation, is still not of extreme value.

Pathetic Ignorant Anti-American Rubbish!

This was posted on Internet Sobor on May 7, but on May 11, I can not find the original post with the original photo.  Through the machine translation, it seems maybe this post was replaced?  The original is below.

Here is the replacement at this link:

http://internetsobor.org/rptcz/tcerkovnye-novosti/rptcz/rptcz-dukhovnyi-sezd-pri-bogoiavlenskom-monastyre-sankt-peterburgskoi-eparkhii-doklad-dmitriia-vasilevskogo

General Sharing: Some ignorant anti-Western, anti-American, totally exaggerated Kremlin rubbish. put on our ROCA's internetsobor site, by this Dmitry Vasilevsky-

*THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!

*This speaker, Dmitry Vasilevsky,  does not know.... what all is 'wrong' or 'right' with the West or America, nor can he see anything about us in a proper balanced perspective.

Thus, what I read here, is deeply offensive slanderous communist propaganda, against MY COUNTRY OF America.

It is the same self-righteous sounding PROPAGANDA blather that comes out of the MP and Putin these days....as if...THEY and their neo-soviet UNFREE Russian Federation were, 'better'.

How pathetic.

This author, if he lived in 'the west' or in my America, could define our social problems...and what is good in our way of life, very very differently.

Most of what he alleges here, in his ignorant dissertation, is from...his life of communist brain washing.

Obviously too, this man is anti-Ukrainian independence., which means, he must support what evils Putin is doing there, YET he is in our ROCA! Why?

IF these anti-American views prevale in our ROCA,[ being revealed now by the Putin inspired/caused  mess in Ukraine, it seems].  then perhaps, .... it is time for we Americans in it, to seriously consider departing from it?

Already, inside of our ROCA, there are growing splits between our pro-Ukrainian members, and those Russians [ inside or outside of Ukrainian territory], who support what Putin is doing.

At this point, it will be a miracle, if our ROCA survives these chaotic events and intense anger and on the verge of open war, feelings.

Our beloved Metropolitan Agafangel is heroically doing his best to attempt to hold us all together, to call all who claim to be Orthodox Christians, to evangelical brotherly love and forgiveness and unity, etc. Yet, the divisions are being heard and felt.

However, it seems, especially in Ukraine and in the Russian Federation, that few seem to be listening to him. More are listening to the irrational voices.

 In good conscience, I as an American, CANNOT stay in a church which is on the side of my nation's international enemies, [ as the captive country of 'Russia' become since  the Bolsheviks took it over till NOW], and if it goes along with the moral and religious depravity of the current Russian Federation's KGB operated MP Sergianist 'church' or its neo-soviet KGB hangover, government.

American, Rd. Daniel Everiss in the USA

P.S. that 2007 betrayal of our old free ROCOR, to the Moscow MP,  ROCOR being  a US based church body, was a two fold betrayal:

First, yes.....it was a religious betrayal of a free diaspora Russian ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN anti-communist church, under/to  the Stalin created in 1943, apostate and Sergianist communist captive, 'Moscow Patriarchy', a pseudo-church, totally anti-canonical, controlled STILL today by those in power in the KGB controlled Kremlin.

Secondly, it was a political/military/immoral.... stab in our American national back, as the subservient part of that ROCOR, has now become, an espionage fifth-column EXTENSION ARM, for our national enemies in Moscow, but of people living HERE, WITHIN our national borders, a Trojan horse, a Serpent in our national bosom.[Though in fairness to many of the simple people, good intentioned  who so foolishly went along with that terrible 2007 betrayal, and now belong to ROCOR/MP parishes here, they are still ignorant/dis-believing  of the full dark realities of this betrayal. They have been lead astray by their pro=MP clergy, many of whom, themselves, have been terribly deceived]..

And yet, many doubt, that now is the end times?

Report Dmitry Vasilevsky: "Human Rights" as the right to lawlessness

Reporter: Nun Vera incl. May 7, 2014. Posted in ROCOR (Views: 41)

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Dmitry Vasilevsky

 "Human Rights" as the right to lawlessness 

(II report on the spiritual congress at the monastery of Saint-Petersburg and Northern Russia Diocese, etc. Naverezhe, 25-27 April 2014)

Your Eminence, honest fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters!

     Now it is fashionable to talk about what humane, kind, smiling and sacrificial - Europeans. In general, as well live in the West, if lost in the urban jungle, you will be shown the way and will bring; if, suffering from hunger, stealing cookies in the store, what you caught, released; your bike is not stolen, the car does not get stolen; always ask, "how are you?" and smile. How wonderful! So great that you do not know to do with himself from despondency, which absorbs the soul of every normal person who lives in the grip of "love" and courtesy. And how Western people politically correct! How do they know how to respect other people's personal space: both physical and moral. How they can not climb into the soul! And nobody wants to see the obvious, namely because Westerners so respected his and others' personal space, of something they reserve the right to get rid of the neighbor on the first whim. They have the perfect excuse for divorce - growing internal exclusion, therefore ceased to feel moral satisfaction. That's all the explanation, no one dare to interfere in my personal space, respect me. And then at the very polite Westerners happen again in my head some closure and they rush to conquer anyone again and be sure to violence, murders, concentration camps and cruelty, inexplicable even psychologically. As it was under Napoleon, Hitler, as it was with their revolutions, Nazism and Marxism as it is now with their export democracy. 

     Yes, the Western people do not steal your bike. Why do they only bike? They are better then come to your country and steal the entire industry or to be exported from the Bialowieza Forest precious woods, as the Nazis - these great masters and lovers of beauty of nature reserves. At home they took care to establish factories purifying equipment. But they did not bother the beautiful nature of the third world, which is full of child productions of the first world. How do they love nature, if eliminating it? Or they just love their nature, and they are allowed to kill someone else? 

     Or say, as in the West love children, we are to far away! But what kind of love is this, when the West promoted abortion? This is - love! In addition, active implanted sodomy, unless promotes fertility? Where is the love for children? But Western people, very fond of children, come to the Orthodox Slavs, they'll take orphans from orphanages and give them up for adoption its homegrown sadomitskim couples who "love children" so like that for some reason its not start. "But wisdom is justified of her children" (Matthew 11, 19).  

     Or are we all ready to forgive Westerners for their unfailing smile and for their "how are you?" from each saleswoman in a supermarket? Conclusion: If a person has no God in the soul, as Western people, the whole of their morality - short or even in his capacity as superficial and hypocritical, and all their kindness - homicidal, not only in an indirect, but in the direct form. "In some European countries and in America ... different faiths come together in a common religious indifferentism, ... people overwhelmingly passionate struggle for earthly well-being and in this sense perfect discipline themselves within the outer formal legality. They do not take on knives because of religious beliefs; their god - it's money and worldly goods. But if somewhere temporarily intensify religious movement to the detriment of public peace, then it does not stand on ceremony, eg., The Mormons "(Anthony Khrapovitsky mitr.). 

     Such people do not like neither children nor men, nor the nature or animals. When all this will become a barrier to their whim, lust and pride, they will destroy everything in its path. And how can you compare human and animal, man and nature? For Westerners it is normal. They are about the animals exhibit more diligence than about people, especially people "second class": color, Slavs, immigrants, the poor. What is their love for the children and when they decompose morally children in schools through the promotion of "sexual education"? Is not love when children are deprived childhood? Western people - people without honor and without conscience, scary people, deep inside the brutal and corrupt, it is forthcoming soon to perform in the forefront of conquering horde stories Antichrist and all their external Loschenov decency and courtesy have simply mask of Satan. 

     In the West, and already we became common place to justify the right to lawlessness, the right to abortion on sodomy, divorce, euthanasia, and now also on pedophilia (truly "grin" of their love for children) links to some " human rights ", the Universal Declaration of the United Nations and the like. But where are all the declaration of human rights and other standards? And when comes to power next dictator and impose global declaration, which will indicate that people without higher education - not the people, will have to rely on it already? People everywhere have become selfish. One of Hitler went to another and see themselves as highly moral. In fact, the terms of sheer hypocrisy. Abortion is justified now empty words on a woman's right to her body. But this is absurd. Engage in carnal pleasures women can and have children - it is their right! As a mother can love someone, if it is - a murderer of her child? There are many secular studies even with the statistics that no woman to have an abortion, has not escaped the depression. Is nature and conscience does not tell us that abortion - is it bad?

     Probably not far western people already on the conscience and to put into question. And the truth is, unless you can prove its existence? And in the Declaration of Human Rights of conscience too, nothing is written. So, no conscience? Now all ashamed to talk about morality, of virtue, of God, of conscience. But consider themselves very smart, speaking about certain moral conflicts there any Kierkegaard. How interesting to speculate about the possible good and evil to the people who believe it possible to have an abortion? One can not prove the truth, citing, for example, slyly matched statistics that supposedly ban on "sex education" in schools stimulates the growth of unwanted pregnancies and abortions among teenagers? 

     You can not prove the truth referring to the mind and on the perverse mind, of course, "the human mind is controlled by the composition of God, and the mind - our real life, when she is in a natural state. If it deviates from nature, it is an alien and the activities of the mind "(svyat. Gregory of Nyssa). You can argue all and swing. Marx explained his righteousness in the power of one class over another - and millions of people killing each other. Now argue abortion rights. But if "every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account in the day of judgment" (Matthew 12, 36), much more for the murder of children. Just take a look footage, which shows how mature embryo aborted as cut off arms and legs and throw it in the trash, to shudder with black soul of those people who like to justify infanticide. All such apologists "cooked darkness eternal darkness" (2 Pet., 2, 17). But these words humanity laughs and grins. And if today would come again, God in human form, then, philosophers like Pilate asked him indifferently, and "What is truth?" (Jn 17, 38), and the people he "rights" would strongly violated as priests, again spat on him, and then physically destroyed. In humans, "has cooled love," and this, according to Christ, a sign of the end of the world (Matt. 24). 

     I would call and yet another sign - direct exhaustion of religiosity (even idolatry) and even indirect religiosity (at the level of cultural production) in modern humanity. People do not even know what they have to worship. Gradually rejecting direct religious, invent indirect: worshiped art (Michelangelo), then love (Goethe), then class (Marx), then the nation (Hitler), then the body (Foucault). And now - naked passion, either. Now around - pure pleasure. "Why should I have a baby? It also need to educate! ". Yes, that such considerations are accepted at the level of official and public discourse, as in Western countries, and in no time the Orthodox. This is simply Satanism, by several orders of the worst Nazi - not ashamed to publicly declare that it is better to kill a child than his "poor little" cultivate poverty, deprive him of his "worthy" of education, to put it in terms of when it will be more expensive jacket envy or toy neighbor kid from more affluent family.

     Indeed, more people have nothing to live, and it is impossible. God became flesh, came to earth and died for the people, and people do not even pay attention to it! They do not care! They continue to live as they lived before, not at all puzzling your mind that after the coming of Christ to the people and more responsibility for the sinful lifestyle that they spend. Furthermore, humanity can no longer continue to live indefinitely in sin, for renewing humanity has already come through the grace of Christ, and the people that grace neglected. Therefore, God will no longer spare humanity, as it was in Noah's day and how it was during the coming to earth of the Lord Himself, when disabused of all mankind expecting some updates. Update it, but again people are corrupt and therefore do not have the right to have the divine forgiveness. "Surely I am coming soon! Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus "(Rev. 22, 20).

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# Whoever Claimed, That 'The West' is Perfect??? - Rd. Daniel 08.05.2014 1:04

This author, Obviously, has not lived in 'The West', Especially not here in my America. 

THUS he is mindlessly parroting , the standard Communist Attacks on 'The West', Which is more than full Exaggerated RUBBISH Facts. 

He is Ignorant . 

Also He is offensive to All of us WHO Live in 'The West'. 

So, then,.,. What is His solution to All of our Western Moral or social Wrongs? .... perhaps (?) to Join the Neo-Soviet corrupt and very Immoral Russian Federation? 

Clearly, he is Suggesting, That we  become like His Captive, slavish, Putin's KGB SERGIANST controlled NEO-SOVIET Russian Federation, where, All is, ... 'goodness and Light' (? ) 

'the land of milk and honey' of the Old Testament. 

PLEASE! stop such ridiculous comparisons. No one in my native America, considers our way of life or our history, or our nation as .. perfect. But we, so Far, have FREEDOM, Which the RF does not have. 

We WHO Live here and are sincere Christians, are always Struggling to make our Nation better, more Moral, more perfected. 

Is this author, happy with Putin's Russian Federation?

If he publically started to criticize Putin, how long would he not be in prison, or dead? 

I cannot see I his Russian Federation  as 'better' than my America. It is Far Worse A Nation., because of its long negative communist history and   Godless,  'culture'.

This author is just Repeating Long Term Mind-numbing Kremlin Communist Anti-Western and Anti-human Freedoms, atheist-commie propaganda. 

Yet, he Gives His unbalanced Erroneous Report in our ROCA? Why? 

He is A Product of All of Those Long years of Communist captivity and the Endless lies of the Russian communists. He is brain-washed.

Truly He does not know What he is talking About. 

If he Came here to Live, he Would SEE things very Differently.[ what is good , bad, and ALL the complicated aspects of our way of life]. 

CHRIST IS RISEN! 

Rd. Daniel, an American and an Orthodox Christian, 

and WHO A human Being always in my Life, cares first and About Last, TRUTH. 

P.S. Only in Heaven, [if we as Individuals are Worthy to Live there], Will any of us be in A PERFECT PLACE. 

Said Jesus: "But, my Kingdom is not of this World!". 

NO Earthly Nation or Government or people, has EVER Been A perfect / Moral Totally, Totally just A Society, NONE, EVER!!! 

Yet, Marxist-Leninist Theory Promises, Their version of Utopia A, A 'Heaven on Earth', Which has ended up, as A hell on Earth. For any and all faults of 'the west' [which indeed are many!], We are not yet that bad.

Paschal: (A Serbian offering): Christ is Risen, And All Things Are Filled With Joy!

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuczNQonTXQ

4½ minutes

Paschal Thoughts: Two videos: Pascha in Ghana, They really look happy!

Comment: I think, but am not sure, that these two African missions are either
 under the Alexandrian or Jerusalem Patriarchates.
And of course, the Greek GOC also has substantial missions in parts of Africa.
Of course, we westerners [ living in our worldly post-Christian materialistic culture], are not used to seeing such physically joyful worship, as normal to our vision of Orthodoxy, however, this is their native African cultural expression.
When they rejoice, they...dance, and they express, body and soul,  their genuine happiness. 
They show that they recognize the importance of the Resurrection of THEIR/Our Saviour, The Saviour of All Mankind. 
Are we 'more cultured, superior, educated, intellectual/'modern'  western-civilized/often lukewarm... Orthodox',...as truly joyful in Our Lord's Victory over death?....or is our annual participation in the Pascha services, just routine, just our cultural traditions??...only mere external/and thus, EMPTY rituals? [what the Pharisees of Jesus day, practiced?].
DO WE... TRULY.... BELIEVE ... THAT HE REALLY!...AROSE FROM DEATH??? [many Protestants and Catholics, these days, do NOT believe it, in both America and Europe]. 
These simple African believers DO believe, and they show it, through their own cultural expressions.
And yes, I know that musical instruments, inside the church,  [ as drums] are forbidden by old canons, but....it is their cultural way of rejoicing, and the drums could be outside of the church. Our bells are technically, 'outside' yet they are musical instruments, are they not? [ and we hear them, while we are inside the church].
For myself, I am inspired by these people's simple MOVING faith. It is real, not pretend, nor phony, it is from their hearts.
Just my perspective......as I meditate upon this glorious Feast of Feasts, the Defeat of Death.
Rd. Daniel .......But, no, I am not advocating that we here go to using drums and dancing in church..
but that we all do deep soul searching, and pray to God, for a stronger faith in Him, and a purer life with Christ. Because, THAT is being genuine Orthodox Christians, not merely observing external rituals and taboos and looking good, looking Orthodox, in the view of others.
Jesus said, "But my kingdom is not of this world!", for those Orthodox who too tightly link their religion to any one national identity or earthly land, (any or all of them).
WE are all..... pilgrims/wayfaring strangers on this earth. Our true Homeland, is not here.
CHRIST IS RISEN INDEED!

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg54ZBAQduU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1qYQQEwPUU