 Dan Everiss<oregdan@hotmail.com> | Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:00 PM | | To: Vladimir Djambov <djambovv@gmail.com> | | l http://en.wikipwdia.org/wiki/Bereans ......some history of their beginnings......but today, there are many VERSIONS of this sect. Dear Vladimir,Well, many of the various zealous (American) Protestant sects, are very missionary, and they eagerlyspread their beliefs and their organizations around the world., such as these VARIOUS versions, of this "Berean" prot. movement.Most Protestants have a few common...original... founding doctrines: 1) we only need the Bible to guide us, 'sola scriptorum' in Latin, and their conception of, "The Church" is very vague/ignorant and confused.2) they reject as, 'Pagan!', all church Fathers, church councils, traditional worship rituals, monasticism, fasting, and the Mother of God, Saints,prayers for the dead,...most recognize only TWO sacraments, etc. but between each other, they have widely divergent other beliefs and practices.3) they IMAGINE (vainly) they only THEY have... 'rediscovered early primitive first-century Christianity',and which early PURE church time, they...think!, that THEY practice (!!!)4) and since the Protestant Reformation, (1400-1500's, etc.)each of the many Prot. sects, have been at war with, Catholics...and EACH OTHER....murdering/persecuting each other,and calling anyone, among their fellow rebels against Rome, who had any different ideas, as, "heretics' and burning them at the stake ,in former times, etc. 4) they have the absurd myth, that anyone, by himself, can understand the Bible.... which is their ONLY spiritual guide(or so they claim), and thus, they have created many many opposing sects, each choosing certain verses of the scriptures, and ignoring others,in order to create their various opposing/warring sects.They have been using the Bible as a weapon against others, for all of their history. Yet they claim to see the Bible as the..holy.. 'matchless Word of God', etc The normal Protestant game, has been to...throw verses from it, against opponents, to ARGUE with it, not to preach Christ.5) America was, LARGELY FOUNDED BY SUCH PROTESTANTS. It is our mainstream culture and mindset.Of course, I cannot say that everything about them is bad or useless-(from our Orthodox view, they are semi-Christians in faith and doctrine, butyes, they are all indeed, western anti-Catholic, heretics. Most of them too, have no use for our Orthodox Church....which they believe, was taken over by paganism, with EVIL Emperor Constantine....and has just become, over the centuries, MORE CORRUPT and more worldly and more pagan ever since...just as has the Church of Rome...which church they rebelled against.Many of their arguments and their ignorant version of Christian History....are anti-historical and illogical, and laughable...to our Orthodox mindMost of them are very dedicated and sincere about their (limited) Christian faith, and they often exhibit much ENERGY...and such qualities are typically American.One Orthodox Hegumin here said about them: "Though they have so little, yet...they DO...so much with it!" (as compared with many Orthodox, who.....have...so much, in our Holy and ancient Orthodox faith, but...who DO.... so LITTLE with our riches, etc.)Yes, some of the older and more conservative denominations. still accept some traditional Orthodox doctrine, as The Holy Trinity, etc.-but most of them, IGNORE the Holy Virgin Mary and saints/and sacraments...as if such were Catholic/Pagan INVENTIONS, etc.To them our icons are 'idols' as are Catholic statues, etc.Vladimir! Protestantism fits the biblical warning against: Beware of being zealous, without knowledge.(fanaticism).And, Orthodox people here in America, are INFECTED with many Protestant ideas and influences...as this is, largely, a Protestant culture, for both good and bad. ***BUT ALL PROTESTANTS believe in, MAKING MONEY and that God blesses you with earthly riches and prospertty IF you read the bible and live it, etc....which is why, Amertica is SO materially-riches oriented. It is a foundation of our culture-i.e. to get rich and enjoy THIS world, etc. The modern Ecumenical Movement, is basically a Protestant conception...i.e. of THEM finally trying to stop making war against/hating/harming other Protestants, and coming together, in 'love', ...'that all may be one', etc. Thus, many of their younger generation, no longer believe in strong doctrines. They are willing to throw doctrines out the window, so as to olky, BE NICE! They are warn out, from their previous centuries of warring. Though still most of them, fear/distrust and hate the Catholic Church...their traditional enemy., "The Whore of Babylon", and the Pope as Antichrist, etc. The biggest Protestant myth is that: ONLY they have rediscovered the Pure Early Christianity, and only they are living it today-and only they...worship like the first Christians, etc. (all historical rubbish and ignorant & stupid nonsense).They reject the original Church Fathers, but...in actual fact, they have produced, over the centuries, their own Protestant 'Fathers' and FALSE spiritual writers and caresmatic guides,....as this 'Berean', man you mention and his writings.Protestantism equals.....profound ignorance of real Christian history and spirituality, and demonstrates that, reading the Bible only,and interpreting it, PRIVATELY, only leads to wrong conclusions, as...the Bible (to we Orthodox), IS PART of our Sacred Tradition....and cannot be accurately or fully understood outside ofThe Church....which...produced it....which is where the Holy Fathers guide us and the saints.And the poor Protestants, are NOT part of that Church!...and indeed are Graceless.Just my thoughts.Daniel in OregonP.S. and what 'bible' do they accept? Because in their revolt against Rome, the wise Protestant reformers such as Luther, threw out, a number of books from the Old Testament, which both we Orthodox and the Catholics have ALWAYS HAD in our bible.Who gave them such a right?Some Orthodox have jokingly said about the Prots : "The bible is their..paper-Pope".
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 19:53:54 +1300 Subject: Re: FW:Sharing: ANOTHER!- "Analysis: Syrians, Christians and Russia" (not a bad one, in general)- From: djambovv@gmail.comTo: oregdan@hotmail.comThis made me read some more into what THE BEREAN is - === NON-TRINITARIAN === is what REPULSED me and scared me how QUOTING the Word may be used in an evil way! Their 'church' and tele-'sermons' started in Oregon in 1930-s... Excuse me for referring you to such material!!! Vladimir On 17 August 2012 19:08, Vladimir Djambov <djambovv@gmail.com> wrote: From The Berean - daily verse and comment - dispatch
http://www.theberean.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Home.showBerean/BereanID/3081/2-Peter-3-3-4.htm
(an involuntary combination in my mind - reading these one after the other..
Also it certainly relates to all of us)
 | (3) Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, (4) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. | |
Things are not continuing as they were, and the reason we know this is because God has given us discernment of the times and seasons in which we are living. Life is not going to continue the way it is: It will get worse before it gets better. So Peter is reminding us.
By the time Peter wrote this (scholars date II Peter in 64 AD), the world is in real turmoil. The world seemed to be falling apart. Jerusalem, especially, is a powderkeg. Christians are being blamed for the trouble being incited in Rome.
However, the New Testament writers reveal to us that they saw the church going to sleep. We can imagine such a thing because many of us have experienced this in our own time. At the most critical juncture of history for the church, Matthew 25 in the Parable of the Ten Virgins shows the church asleep—all ten were asleep, not just five of them. The parable specifically spotlights the virgins slumbering and sleeping at the time of the end, and it happened in the first century too, just before the destruction of the Temple, which was "an end."
It is an incongruity that seems almost impossible to believe. With all this excitement going on, instead of being stirred up to press on toward the Kingdom of God, the church instead—many of them anyway—were doing what the Thessalonians were doing, just waiting it out. Not everybody did that, and it is a good thing or Christianity would have died out.
The apostles were certainly stirred up. There is no doubt about it because they wrote about it. These people were doing exactly what the apostles were warning them of: They were walking after their own lusts or desires.
— John W. Ritenbaugh On 17 August 2012 12:20, Dan Everiss <oregdan@hotmail.com> wrote: Category: Certainly, an interesting analysis, and one that I can, more-or-less, agree with ...much..of.It....seems.... largely level headed.However, for anyone on this earth!, to put any genuine degree of actual trust or hope, in the KGB-front, called, "The Moscow Patriarchia"-aka, 'The Russian Orthodox Church' (so-called by worldly Orthodox and by the secular heterodox world in general) or it's actual head, V. Putin, is totally absurd and pathetic. To believe that it represents the ..historical authentic Russian Church of historical, Russian Nation, is dumb, dumb, dumb!Putin and his 'church's' only interests in Syria,(as with anywhere else in this world), have to do with the Kremlin's military and political power schemes, and that's it!........ NOT saving the necks or the souls of Christians, or Moslems, or anyone.And, the very idea, that.... KGB Agent Michael (Kyrill-Gundaev) is truly The Russian Patriarch? (ha! ha! ha!)- what a joke of the century!That 'church', especially in foreign places, solely expounds and serves the political/military/espionage/propaganda interests of the current Kremlin KGB Putin gangsters, and thus, how!? is it possible that such dastardly proven corrupt atheistic criminals, care one iota about...spiritual matters or with 'saving fellow Christians', etc, in bloody revolution-wracked suffering Syria, ...or anywhere?It is RUSSIAN-Federation, bombs and bullits and armaments, sent to dictator Assad, by pious Vladimir Putin, which are slaughtering Syrian men, women, and little babies, every day!...and reducing their homes and cites to rubble, daily.One wonders: perhaps, pious Orthodox Christian, Vladimir Putin is lighting candles in church, crossing himself hundreds of times, and buying many many panachidas, for all those he is helping to kill? (Even Ivan the Terrible, contrary to Putin, had much true heart anguish & guilt for those he caused to suffer and die! even as he continued his foul deeds).The Communists and their KGB/FSB....have ever? ,.. 'saved souls'? They have indeed, sent many souls out of this world, to meet their Maker, by murder, that is for sure.We call them, Holy Martyrs!Just my musings-Disgusted with KGB/FSB agent V. Putin, KGB agent, Pat. Kyrill, and their..mass-murdering pal, Assad, and the whole world, for just standing by, while the population of Syria is slaughtered like animals.WHEN will this be brought to an end???.If not soon, then I fear that Almighty God, will let fall upon the entire world, His final punishments, and we will all get, World War III, a thermo-nuclear war to end all wars.No one will escape that, no one.God does not turn His blind eye to the sufferings of the innocent, to the murder of the stranger, the orphan and the widow, even if...we...His supposed servants, do.Rd. Daniel
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:54:08 -0400 From: tarrfreuge@q.comSubject: Fwd: Analysis: Syrians, Christians and Russia
From: "j.mceachen" < jmcea@optonline.net> To: "j.mceachen" < jmcea@optonline.net> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 9:51:20 AM Subject: FW: Analysis: Syrians, Christians and Russia Analysis: Syrians, Christians and RussiaSince the beginning of the Syrian revolution in March 2011, Christian leaders have been divided over whether to support Bashar al-Assad’s embattled regime. Historically the Christian community (mainly those affiliated with the Orthodox Church) have enjoyed certain privileges and protections from Assad’s secular-leaning regime, serving in important security, economic and political positions. Whilst Christians were barred from serving as President due to their religious status, they were able to practice their religion freely. With each passing day the Assad regime looks weaker, and indeed many policymakers and pundits are now talking about when rather than if the Assad regime will collapse, especially following the recent wave of defections. The majority of Syrian Orthodox Christians, much like their brethren in Egypt and in Iraq, now find themselves on the wrong side of history. Will they now decide to throw their support behind opposition forces, thereby ensuring that they have a seat at the post-Assad political table or will they simply flee? Christians’ Critical Situation The Christian community in Syria constitutes around 10 percent of the population (approximately 2.6 millions). The majority of Christians belong to the Orthodox Church (approximately 60 percent), which has historic links and ties with Russia. As is well known, Russia is not only a significant political ally of the Assad regime but it is also an important trading partner to Syria. The Assyrians, Protestants and Catholics comprise Syria’s other main Christian denominations. Low birth rates and immigration to Europe, US, Canada, and Australia especially since the military coup in 1970 that brought the Assad’s dynasty to power has resulted in a steady decline in its numbers vis-a-vis Sunnis and other groups. Nevertheless, Christians continued to enjoy a relatively privileged position under Assad. Understandably the majority of Christians in Syria fear a loss of this status and worse still, potential reprisals from the majority Sunni and opposition groups in the event of the collapse of the Assad regime. Rather predictably, the Assad propaganda machine has played upon these fears and attempted to present itself as the ‘bulwark against Sunni extremism’ – arguing that life under Assad is better than under a Sunni-dominated government. The view from neighbouring Egypt is hardly an encouraging one for Christians, where the parliamentary and presidential elections won the Muslim Brotherhood and more extreme Salafi parties political power, leaving Egypt’s Christians and secular forces concerned about the possibility of further Islamization of Egyptian culture and open discrimination against religious minorities. Whilst Syria is not Egypt, the Assad regime’s claims of a sectarian war has been greatly assisted by reports suggesting that Christians have been targeted and killed by Syrian opposition groups. On July 25, Der Spiegel reported that thousands of Syrian Christians have fled the country to neighbouring Lebanon due to attacks waged by rebel forces. “Thirty-two Christian families have found shelter and asylum in Qa, which is located only 12 kilometres away from the Syrian border.’’ According to one refugee, Christians don’t have much choice other than to align themselves with a strong leader who can protect their interests. “The rebels haven’t managed to convince me they are fighting for more democracy.” Christians and the Russian Orthodox Church The Russian Orthodox Church has historic ties to Middle Eastern Christians. In 1774, after the treaty of Kucuk Kaynara, the Russian Federation became the official protector of the Orthodox Christians in the Ottoman Empire. Accordingly, Russian became a stakeholder of domestic politics in countries including Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Jordan and Lebanon. The influential Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, Kirill I, has publicly opposed any “international intervention” (read Western intervention) in Syria and has offered its support to the Assad regime out of fear that Christian interests will be much diminished or even extinguished in a post-Assad Syria. A report suggests that during the Patriarch’s recent visit to Syria, Christians expressed concern over the possible loss of basic freedoms and the protection of their religious rights. Furthermore, there is increasing anxiety and concern regarding the growing militarisation of the anti-Assad uprising and the failure of opposition forces to engage with Christian intellectuals and local leaders. The Russian government has actively encouraged the Orthodox Church to speak out against opposition forces in an apparent effort to obtain some “cover” for its continued support of the Assad regime, including the repeated blocking of UN sanctions. Reports suggest that the Russian Orthodox Church has been working closely with the Russian Foreign Ministry in an effort to ensure that Syrian Christians concerns and voices are heard. The Church recently hosted an exhibition near the Kremlin dedicated to Syrian Christianity. Speakers at the event were reported as repeatedly expressing great concern about the fate of Christians and Christianity in Syria. Nevertheless, a growing number of Christians, including George Sabra, Fayez Sara, Michel Shammas and Michel Kilo have joined opposition groups like the Syrian National Council and the Assyrian Democratic Organization, which has openly opposed the Assad regime since the initial uprising last year, in clear defiance of the official Church. Sabra in particular has argued that the Christian community has not been served well by its leaders, and the Orthodox Church’s hesitancy in aligning itself with revolutionary forces may be a significant strategic error as it potentially leaves the majority of Christians politically isolated in a post-Assad Syria. Indeed, the Orthodox Church appears to be ignoring the fact that continuous fighting has led to senior Christian figures being exiled from Syria, including Father Paolo Dall’Oglio, who was exiled in June after criticising Assad. The Assad regime has also been accused of firing rockets on Churches who they claim have been financially supporting the opposition. Additionally, security forces killed Priest Basilius Nassar while he was helping an injured Christian during clashes between government and opposition forces. There have also been reports that security forces have entered Orthodox Churches and stolen its contents, leading to anti regime protests by some Christians. Orthodox Christians and their leaders would be much better served if they reached out to opposition groups, including Assyrian Christians who have been advocating for a secular Syrian state that protects and respects the rights of all minority groups, including Christians. Christians could be an important ally for the opposition groups, given the Syrian Orthodox Church’s historic connections with Russia. The Orthodox Church may be able to put pressure on the Russian government to support any future proposed United Nations sanctions directed against the Assad regime, thereby adding more pressure to an already embattled government. Further, given the perilous state of the Syrian economy, foreign investment, including investments from Russia will be critical to supporting and sustaining many businesses and key sectors of Syria’s economy, which has been badly damaged by years of failed state-led policies and now due to internal conflict. Christian groups and leaders should also be reaching out to their counterparts in the West and elsewhere by advocating for future foreign aid and investment to be linked to the protection of minority rights. Christians have important cards to play, but they need to be played carefully. Christians need to develop allies and push to ensure that their rights are respected and that they can live with dignity and respect. It’s going to be a long and difficult path ahead, and one that few have traveled. It is vital now more than ever that Christians from all denominations come together and agree the way forward for their community through a national dialogue. While the West is currently nurturing relationships with the new Syrian leadership, mainly the Sunni-dominated Syrian National Council, it is important that the West also lends support to minority groups, including Christians – in order to avoid a repeat of the Iraqi case where violence and religious persecution followed the collapse of the Saddam Hussein regime. Christian politicians and intellectuals have been the main source of liberal and progressive enlightenment in many parts of the Levant following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and have made an enormous contribution to Arab cultural, and the economy. Whilst the collapse of Arab secular-leaning dictatorships in Egypt, Libya, Iraq, and possibly now Syria presents many challenges for Christians, this important community must be allowed and encouraged to play an important political role in shaping the post-Assad era.
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