Monday, July 22, 2013

What our ROAC 'Friend' (???), the 'Bp. Andre-Maklakov' is scheming up for us all-

Note: To view/hear his 
video  speech, in Russian,  addressed to his Suzdal ROAC assembled other hierarchs, one has to go to, to view it, as I cannot capture that video here.

found on: ...the original Russian article , video, and these comments.

COMMENT: He reports about his ( secret-) 'talks with ROCA  and RTOC bishops'.
(WHAT is really 'secret' these days!???...answer: NOTHING!)., but the one who reveals and makes public such 'talks' of bishops, is guilty  of violating confidences. Which in itself, makes us wonder as to what are his real motives in all this malicious double-dealing, including his outrageous interferences in our internal ROCA church matters, as with our Bp. Joseph's recent self-asked for retirement. And this award goes to ROAC (bigmouth/interferer in other's churches) ROAC 'Bp. Andre Maklakov'!...the very author of his ROAC's pathetic and lamentable false 'anathema' on our ROCA and on our sister SIR Synod, neither of which, with our other sister Romanian and Bulgarian sister churches,  are 'heretics'. How  pathetic!... he never misses an opportunity to speak ill of our Met. and our ROCA.
And some misguided souls want our ROCA  to unite with him and his uncanonical ROAC?


Bishop Andrew Pawlowski, Managing Autonomous Church parishes in the U.S., reports its talks with the bishops of ROCOR (A) and RIPTS

Correspondent: Administrator incl. July 20, 2013. Posted in Alternative Orthodoxy (Views: 27)
Tags: RPATs , RF , Suzdal

"Picking up the fragments"
found on our:

English translation of this article about Maklakov with two anti-Maklakov negative comments

One needs to view the Russian language video speech of Maklakov:-
which my translator could not view at his work place computer.

Translated from Russian

Bishop Andrew of Pavlovsk, Managing (Hierarch of) the ROAC parishes in the U.S., reports on his talks with hierarchs of ROCOR(A) and RTOC

Correspondent: Administrator; incl. on July 20, 2013. Posted in Alternative Orthodoxy (Views: 78)
Tags: ROAC, Russia (RF), Suzdal

“Gathering up the fragments" of TOC of Russian tradition in America. Bishop Andrew of Pavblovsk, Managing (hierarch of) the ROAC parishes in the U.S., reports to the XVII Congress of the Suzdal diocese of ROAC on his discussions with the hierarchs of ROCOR(A) and RTOC, July 17



+1 # The former Suzdal Diocese of ROCOR –[READER MARTIN-commenter]  R07/20/2013 19:23
Well, indeed, To put all the blame on are those “Cyprianites” ...
This is why until this day ROAC has not been able to unite with the RTOC-RTOCA, ROCA (V-V), ROCA (VA), ROAC (G-1), ROAC (G-2), RosOC (D), RosOC (V) , RosOC (A) and the [like] other fragments.

It’s very easy [convenient] for them to shoot from behind the corner with anathemas and articles, but they have neither the courage nor the honesty to sit down at one table and discuss those issues which in their opinion “separate” us from those “heroes” [bogatyrs] and “peacemakers”.

Cut [down] [humble down] then we’ll come to a settlement, ...
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+2 # RE: Bishop Andrew of Pavlovsk, Managing Hierarch of the ROAC parishes in the U.S.,[ROCA-commenter]reports on his discussions with the hierarchs of ROCOR (A) and RTOC – ROCA 20.07.2013 19:22
Of course, what that man says is terrible. He has in practical terms anathemized all the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, Metropolitan Vitaly (as one praying with “Cyprianites”). It turns out according to his logic that since 1994 the Church of Christ has ceased to exist inasmuch as ROCOR – falling into heresy – ceased to be.
He “forgot” about the fact that bp. Gregory (Grabbe) concluded his life within the bosom of ROCOR, which [the latter] Andrew Maklakov has just anathemized.
Why would he lie that “Cyprianism” teaches that the Church can enliven with [the help of] the heresy that has already been condemned by the Ecumenical Councils?
One can only hope that that man has never understood a thing (and most likely this is how it is). This is the only thing that could at least somehow justify him.
Of course, no holding of negotiations [talks], and even [no] discussions is possible with him. All the more [so], this would also be a relief to him because he, poor, has been tortured by persuasions and invitations to dialogue[s].
I think the time of gathering the “fragments” is over even [though] it has never started [at all] – each one went their separate [own] ways.

This is the video: It is at the top, and is "Suzdal, 17, July, Chast 5"


Епископ Павловский Андрей, управляющий приходами РПАЦ в США, докладывает о своих собеседованиях с иерархами РПЦЗ(А) и РИПЦ

 Корреспондент: Administrator вкл. 20 Июль 2013. Опубликовано в Альтернативное Православие(Просмотров: 78)
Таги: рпац , рф , суздаль

"Собирание осколков" ИПЦ русской традиции в Америке. Епископ Павловский Андрей, управляющий приходами РПАЦ в США, докладывает XVII Съезду Суздальской епархии РПАЦ о своих собеседованиях с иерархами РПЦЗ(А) и РИПЦ, 17 июля


+1 # Бывшая суздальская епархия РПЦЗ — чтецъ Мартинъ 20.07.2013 19:23
Ну да,.. всему виноваты эти "киприаниты"...
Поэтому по сей день РПАЦ не может соединится с РИПЦ-РИПЦЗ, РПЦЗ(В-В), РПЦЗ(В-А), РПАЦ(Г-1), РПАЦ(Г-2), РосПЦ(Д), РосПЦ(В), РосПЦ(А) и прочими дроблениями.

Стрелять из-за угла анафемами и статьями им очень легко, а сесть за общий стол и обсудить те вопросы которые по их мнению нас "разделяют" у этих "богатырей" и "миротворцев" нет смелости и честности.

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+2 # RE: Епископ Павловский Андрей, управляющий приходами РПАЦ в США, докладывает о своих собеседованиях с иерархами РПЦЗ(А) и РИПЦ — ROCA 20.07.2013 19:22
Конечно, то, что говорит этот человек - ужасно. Он фактически предал анафеме всю Зарубежную Церковь, в том числе и Митрополита Виталия (как молившегося с "киприанитами") . По его логике получается, что с 1994 года Церковь Христова прекратила свое существование, поскольку РПЦЗ, впав в ересь, перестала ею быть.
Он "забыл" о том, что вл. Григорий (Граббе) окончил свою жизнь в лоне РПЦЗ, которую Андрей Маклаков только что предал анафеме.
Зачем ему лгать, что "киприанизм" учит, что Церковь может уживаться с ересью, уже осужденной Вселенскими Соборами?
Остается только надеяться, что этот человек вообще ничего не понимает (скорее всего, так и есть). Это единственное, что хоть как-то может его оправдать.
Конечно, никаких переговоров, и даже разговоров, с ним вести невозможно. Тем более, это будет и ему облегчением, поскольку, его, бедного, замучили уговорами и приглашениями к диалогу.
Я думаю, что время собирания "осколков" прекратилось даже не начавшись - каждый пошел своим путем.


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